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The Case Against Billy Mitchell's Donkey Kong

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In this video, I try to enumerate the charges against Billy Mitchell, and establish a common ground for discussing the controversy.

You can find the original presentation here: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1FhJcNoazcHpCp_Rr6-yXluuVS_6CTzjMKs3ShM6nx6o/edit?usp=sharing

UPDATE Apr 12, 2018: As of this morning, TG removed all of Billy's scores, including non-DK ones, from their scoreboards.

UPDATE Mar 21, 2018: There's been some new information on this that's worth clarifying. The versions of MAME that produce the "girder finger" have now been verified as all versions prior to .122, depending on the refresh rate settings used. Additionally, Billy has admitted that the board swap video was staged as a stunt to promote Robert Childs' YouTube, and not as a verification mechanism. END UPDATE

CORRECTION: At some point in the video I describe the orientation of the 1.04M and 1.05M as incorrect. This point is overall correct, but my comments about it were not; they were not upright, but rather were simply rotated the wrong direction. They were essentially flipped 180* from what they should have been. END CORRECTION

I am not involved in the dispute! I only condensed the statements and arguments others have made. I'm happy to take corrections, but for specific and technical questions you are better off asking in the threads.

Donkey Kong Forum thread here: http://donkeykongforum.com/index.php?topic=2055.0

Twin Galaxies Dispute thread here: https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/176004-Dispute-Jeremy-Young-Arcade-Donkey-Kong-Points-Hammer-Allowed-Player-Billy-L-Mitchell-Score-1-062-800

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Omnigamer . 2018-03-21
I added an update and correction to the video description, based on comments and recent new information. Doesn't change the value of any of the presented material, just helped to provide extra clarity.
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Fry's Acid Test . 2018-04-20
It's never difficult to capture audio off of a game. Hook up jumper leads to the terminals on the speaker, use a potentiometer to lower the voltage if necessary, and record.
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Haris Shakil . 2018-04-20
Is his pacman score still legit?
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Dodgy Brothers . 2018-04-19
Why do so many Gen Y's on dismiss these classics as being not important. It's like it was before my time so it has no significance... This self importance gets right up my nose. No it isn't the latest and greatest, no they weren't the greatest games ever made, but they have a significant place in history. Just like the Model T Ford, it wasn't the first car by a long shot, and there was nothing particularly cutting edge about it, but it deserves its place in history because it represented a pivotal change in automotive thinking. Show a little respect to the games that made your current games possible.
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Mark W. . 2018-04-19
Randomly interesting vid. Good work!
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Hazy Sativa . 2018-04-19
Where do you get your ROMS from?
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Angelo Mattei . 2018-04-17
just a question,Billy win a lot of money because of this so my question is: the other guy on the movie can sue because of this?
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Fudgilicious Fudge . 2018-04-17
need to show original hardware for comparison. otherwise it's just faith that it's different and can never take one of the other looks.
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Stephen Favaro . 2018-04-17
Yo billy ya lil bitch ass cheater lol
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Dean W. Thomas . 2018-04-16
I don't understand why this took so many years to uncover.
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Juan Francisco Valdivieso . 2018-04-16
Around 16:00-16:30, I felt like continuing my game of Dragon Quest Warriors for some reason. I wondered why but didn't think much of it. Then I turned up the volume of this video and concentrated on the BG music. Ah!!
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ataridc . 2018-04-16
Just goes to show how often it turns out that who you know is more important than what you know. People have covered up for these cheaters for decades.
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Chillo . 2018-04-15
I'm sorry but holy shit is Billy Mitchel stupid. I'm not saying what he did was right but dude if you're going to cheat than make it count and make it perfect. This dude's record has been broken several times since he claims to have done it which makes all the trouble he went through to make it pointless. It should've been so high that it would've almost been impossible to beat it.
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FirmGrip DownWithTheShip . 2018-04-15
Amazing. Great coverage of the facts.
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BroqHans . 2018-04-15
How to explain this to the Missus: 'So honey, this guy with the mullet cheated on this old game from the early eighties and we're all really angry about it, see?'
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KarbuncleX . 2018-04-15
I'm sure people have already mentioned this, but the previous versions of MAME going all the way back to at least 0.56 can also display the 'finger' on the 3-girder transitions. This can be done one of two ways. The most simple is activating cheats and setting CPU0 to 99%. The other way started in version 0.85 which is to enable cheats and set the refresh rate to 60.6Hz, which would later become the default rate in 0.116, which is why we see the finger show up by default in that version.
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Realmasterorder . 2018-04-14
The worse thing is that he has stuck to it way to long and twin galaxies trusted him without doing any research of its own for so many years,finally things are set straight the sad thing is that Billy is a great player and might actually be able to do it in the Arcade machine,but instead he just posted the mame version and claimed it was the Arcade one.
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Brian Banks . 2018-04-14
from a casual observer, me, this Billy guy is a real ego maniac and piece of shit.....when he walked by Steve Weibe sp? and had a little comment, my thoughts of him were confirmed...he is a douchebag , arrogant and a complete fraud
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Cat and Six Gaming! . 2018-04-14
So basically MAME gave Billy Mitchell "the finger" and someone noticed after all these years.
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mrlondongo . 2018-04-14
This has like the worse ever introduction. Lol!
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Jparodyy . 2018-04-13
He is now removed from Twin Galaxies lmao
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C.A.R . 2018-04-13
The Video of him getting the score has been lost conveniently by Fun Spot...Also...Twin Galaxies...Walter has left the country and less than truthful people have been running the asylum. The machine provided to him by the vendor was pushed as a actual DK machine.. It was leased to him as a actual machine.. Weather it really was is also in question but that falls on the vendor.. also Fun spot filmed him and they filmed the crowd around him when he did the score.. now... They say they have mysteriously lost their own tapes? Cmon... Even at the last Kong Off that Billy attended Bill Publicly got a huge score nearing a million..THAT WAS LIVE! .. The MAME intro and cut screen could very easily be edited into the video... Twin Galaxies has the originals...Something very fishy is going on and you will eventually see that the fraud will lead to Twin Galaxies... Give it time....
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Medi Ocre . 2018-04-13
speak up
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tazgamer . 2018-04-13
Enjoyed the Dragon Quest battle music.
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calebsone1 . 2018-04-12
Look at the score box it pops out instantly on his 1.06 score but on the direct feed it loads in parts. Billy faked everything he should just tell the truth he looks like a asshole.
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HBH ZTH . 2018-04-12
Mr. Omni: You seem go into this from a non-scientific point of view. You have an agenda from the getgo: Mitchell cheated. What of your own research is in the video? It's a re-hash of what others have established. Thus it has zero interest for ppl looking to get a unbiased opinion. Have a nice day.
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negative1 . 2018-04-12
As predicted, the final verdict has been made:

Billy Mitchell scores removed and banned from TG, justice at last:
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https://www.twingalaxies.com/feed_details.php/1047/billy-mitchells-donkey-kong-and-all-other-records-removed/4

Summary Decision:
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Based on the complete body of evidence presented in this official dispute thread, Twin Galaxies administrative staff has unanimously decided to remove all of Billy Mitchell’s’ scores as well as ban him from participating in our competitive leaderboards.

We have notified Guinness World Records of our decision.
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DestinyDK . 2018-04-11
This would make a great movie.
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Ben D . 2018-04-11
SPEAK UP, WE CANT HEAR YOU!
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Ben D . 2018-04-11
I wonder if the game creators in 1981 ever thought 37 years later we would still be playing and arguing over the game still.
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Jason howe . 2018-04-11
explain the rf aftifact in billy's video??
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Apple Crumble . 2018-04-09
if the capturing did mess up the gmae a bit, is it not a bit suspicous that it ended up loading exactly like mame?
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Lucid Moses . 2018-04-03
(24:05) Having worked in assembler to control hardware of that era I can tell you adding video capture hardware can in fact change how things are rendered on the screen. Assuming;
1) The video card was part of the main board
2) The CPU was at least at times running at peek performance.
Not unreasonable assumptions for the day.
Now, I say it is very much technically possible, I don't have the code or the hardware to check out if this specific claim has any merit. I do think it unlikely but it's not impossible. Having to power extra hardware can cause interrupts to happen on the other side of specific instructions that can cause entire halfs of the screen to be rendered differently. The same kind of timing problems MAME is having although for a completely different reason. So troubles.. sure. troubles that mach MAME's troubles. very unlikely.... but... still possible.
I also understand why people now with computers that have buses, rock solid power power supplies and incredibly accurate hardware timers could assume that's how it always was so believe it's impossible.
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Kent Murphy . 2018-04-03
I can't wait for King of Kong II ... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The RealButcher . 2018-04-02
Good video and very well done deductions... thanks !
I think it would be a pleasure if you dissected the arguments in the Madelaine McCann case... see how that holds up, under your investigating eyes.
I know you have no time for that, but it would be good if that case finally came to a halt. Who did what and why. Socially-wise it has the same amount of impact of frustration going on.
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Saber0003 . 2018-04-02
Personally I think its pretty obvious he used MAME, and the only reason to lie about using it is because he used save states or something else to cheat his score.
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TurboCMinusMinus . 2018-04-01
BM gave us "the finger", now it's time we gave it back
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11 Breaking News . 2018-03-31
Billy = busted wide open
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Crowborn . 2018-03-31
Really love this channel. Glad to see those fraudulent fucks finally getting dropped.
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xDakem . 2018-03-31
I trust Omni. Ever. If he said I cheat I cheat. Even if IDK how.
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Isaac Pizarro . 2018-03-30
another dead horse beating. He cheated , got caught and everybody knows it already ....just let it go people!
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Siddharth Gor . 2018-03-30
Apparently Apollo Legend is being sued by this guy. i don't know if that's true. can anyone confirm?
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Tyler Kolb . 2018-03-30
SSSSSSH YOU'RE GONNA GET SUED!

Lol
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chuck manson . 2018-03-30
Im friends with him. he showed me how eh cheated
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Oliver Von arx . 2018-03-29
If billy WAS capable of getting those records - he simply could end the discussion by REDOING them UNDER STRICT SURVEILLANCE. Period.
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seraveegundam2032 . 2018-03-29
???
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zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba . 2018-03-28
"I am not involved in the dispute." Meanwhile isn't this kind of content considered to just be a cash grab in speed run circles? "Cashing in on the popularity of speed running" is how its usually worded.
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thabow ANB . 2018-03-28
If your going to comment on little Billy make sure you refer to him as little Billy or little bill. That's what his wife calls him, makes him feel more comfortable. He also answers to asshole, fucknug Randy mullet, cockmuncher and posser. Call him a posser and he's conditioned to get up and go get you a cookie.
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TehRackoon . 2018-03-27
I don't really care at all about speed running, or record setting in games I just play them for fun, but god damn the Billy Mitchell's drama/scandal is so juicy. Good video btw.
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Musky Elon . 2018-03-27
put the speed on 1.5 speed,he talks slow so you'll save some minutes
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