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Veritas vs. Lie-Nielsen vs. Kirschen vs. Rider Chisels | Tool Duel #8

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Stuck on whether to invest in high qualiy premium chisels, or stick with the more affordable ones? This video walks you through all the things to consider when buying a new set of chisels and find the best solution for you!

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Paul Frederick . 2019-03-14
I just looked at the edges of all of my chisels and none of them are particularly sharp on their sides. So it looks like I have some grinding to do over here.
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Steven Harvey . 2019-03-10
Really great content. I'm disappointed I didn't find your channel sooner!
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Clive Featherston . 2019-03-03
First of all enjoying all the videos.....so my question is which sizes would you recommend as a beginner?
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Andrew Denis . 2019-02-23
Some really great options now-a-days. I have some old Stanleys that Iโ€™ve had for several,decades. About 20 some odd years ago, I got some great Daitei Japanese chisels that I had someone pick-up while they were over there. They were not nearly as expensive then, but the hardness and edge retention was a lot better than anything I gad used. I actually had to change my sharpening and honing process to fully exploit what they are capable of. I typically just do a 30 second tune-up 95% of the time on them. About 8 years ago I got some Narex chisels. What a amazing deal they are for a great chisel. I have used Lieโ€™s and Veritas and found them to both be excellent, although on hard wood and extensive cross-grain, the Veritas and Japanese steel hold edges and degrade much better and more predictably. I currently only have a couple Lie and Veritas, but I donโ€™t use them often. However, if I had to go out and buy any chisel, using my own money Iโ€™d get Narex, and put the difference saved into a good Work Sharp or other good system.
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Luka Peris . 2019-02-09
Gle video o tresnjama koi prdi ๐Ÿฅณ๐Ÿฅณ๐Ÿคฉ๐Ÿคฉ๐Ÿ˜‹๐Ÿ˜‹๐Ÿ˜‹๐Ÿค“๐Ÿ˜žโ˜น๏ธ๐Ÿ˜ฉ๐Ÿ˜ค๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜’๐Ÿ˜ก๐Ÿฅถ๐Ÿฅต๐Ÿคฏ๐Ÿคฌ๐Ÿคฏ๐Ÿ˜ฐ๐Ÿ˜ก๐Ÿ˜”๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿฅฐ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿฅฐ๐Ÿ˜„โ˜บ๏ธ๐Ÿ˜‰๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿค ๐Ÿค•๐Ÿค’๐Ÿ˜ช๐Ÿคง๐Ÿ˜ˆ๐Ÿ’ฉ๐Ÿคก๐Ÿคก๐Ÿคก๐Ÿ’ฉ๐Ÿ’ฉ๐Ÿ’ฉ๐Ÿ’ฉ๐Ÿ’ฉ๐Ÿ’ฉ๐Ÿ’ฉ
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StoneCold Sweden . 2019-02-08
Uh well it depends on what type of chisel you buy. So if Krischen were to make actual beveled edge chisels then theyde be pretty good. But if you wanma buy damn good dovetail chisels then buy the woodriver 4 or 8 pack at rob cosman.com they are damn good.
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STOGIE01 . 2019-01-13
I'm so new to wood working that I don't even have a set of chisels.... Saying that, in all seriousness, why couldn't one take their time and grind or file down the edge bevels down themselves on a less expensive set of chisels?
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Mark Harris . 2019-01-09
As Paul Sellers and James Wright both recommend cheap chisels, is there any value in a newbie buying quality ones early on their journey? I have asked this question on another channel and was advised to concentrate on learning how to sharpen them first so I donโ€™t spoil the bevel on better quality tools.
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kwakkers68 . 2018-12-22
Suggestion: if you do another one of these, try some MHG - Fine Tools, Germany.
(Not the short versions, but the typical length jobbies)
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Michael McLean . 2018-10-09
pretty informative video, anyone know the intro song. like the hook and the chisels.
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Toffsen100 . 2018-10-03
Really struggling to decide between Pfeil, Ashely and Japanese oire nomi chisels from HSS steel (290 for a set of 6, hardest steel). I really like to do dovetails as well, so not sure if any of those is suited for the task:)
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Nack Jicholson . 2018-09-27
Kirschen provides a great variety of chisels. They also sell some that have side edges.
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badasspuppy . 2018-09-20
Tool duel or tool jewel?
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Don Putman . 2018-08-28
Matt,
What is the length of the "blades" on the L-N chisels? Or, do you no longer have access to them?
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Brian Minghella . 2018-08-09
They are all crap in comparison to a quality hand forged Japanese Chisel. I only use western chisels for the roughest hack work.
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Martin Poulsen . 2018-06-13
I think they just might have returned. The red bahcos. Not entirely sure, and I wouldn't know about the steel either. But the vintage ones. With the dark red handles - Get them old enough and they are shark/eskilstuna chisels. If you don't mind plastic handles, and need a chisel that'll take a serious clobbering from the mallet, while at the same time having a slim profile - these are it. They won't take hammerblows like a steel capped one, and I doubt you will get it quite as sharp as the pmv11, but it will be very close, and - at least in Europe - you might be lucky enough to find them at a flea market for a fraction of the price of the Veritas/Lie Nielsen ones. My dad still works his 40 year. You will have to have built your own home several times over, to understand what kind of abuse they have stood up to. They are not pretty fancy pants bench chisels. They are hard working no nonsense tough chisels, that have been lugged around in an open tool box everywhere for indoor and outdoor work. It shows, but they work just as well as always, except for a cracked handle in one of them. A new hornbeam handle epoxyed on (the tang is purpose built for casting the plastic handle on) will make it work for another 6 decades. Both I and others went to Irwin marples when they changed to the rubber gripped, softer steel ones, but they just can't compete with the bahcos. Heavier, more cumbersome and just not the same good fit in your hands, as the bahco/shark/eskilstuna chisels. Very old ones also came with wooden handles, but be prepared to pay, if you plan on getting yourself some of those. You just might luck out, if somebody is selling off their grand dads tools (and don't know what they are), but if another tool collector gets the slightest whiff of it - forget it!
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Charlie Hubbard . 2018-04-25
A quick note on the Veritas chisels. You mentioned they were made from PM-V11 steel. They are available in PM-V11 (at a 30 to 40 percent premium), but the standard Veritas bench chisels are O1 steel. I have the O1 versions. No joke about the edges being sharp! I blunted the edges ever so slightly on a diamond plate to save my fingers (because I'm a puss, and it was easier than manning up).
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jakob sors . 2018-03-07
i love your quick, to-the-point way of explainig, no nonsense and tons of useful info !
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TheToolnut . 2018-02-03
Stanley Sweethearts?
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eric hughes . 2018-01-27
What's your take on Stanley Sweetheart and or Stanley Bailey chisels?
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Duke . 2018-01-20
Hi Matt, I need a budget but reasonably good chisel for cutting some hinges in softwood door frame to hang an under-stairs cupboard door. I have never really used chisels before. I'm good at DIY but no nothing about woodworking. What type, make etc can you recommend?
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Das Stackenblochen . 2018-01-17
To be fair, the Kirschen chisels aren't advertised as side bevel chisels. The slight bevel is just to make mortising easier. They don't useO1 steel, their standard steel is a proprietary blend. I don't have any chisels, but some carving tools and I'm happy with those. At a 17ยฐ bevel angle carving tools are of course sharper than a chisel or plane blade, but even then these Kirschen carving tools are ridiculously sharp.

Kirschen isn't the only manufacturer that offers mostly-polished tools, I think both Narex and MHG offer that as well. Something to consider: machine polishing always results in a surface that's not super-flat, and corners will be broken/rounded.

If you want super-flat chisels, then you want to buy ground ones. You can polish them by hand on a flat polishing stone (Naniwa Sharpening Stone 8000, 10000 or 12000), which results in a surface that is both polished and flat.

However, I don't think flatness of the chisel back matters all that much. I actually think a slightly concave back is beneficial, because it should offer less resistance when driving them in. The Japanese chisels are an extreme example of this.
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Daniel Armstrong . 2018-01-15
Irwin splitproof
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daveallen007 . 2018-01-10
Matt,

I wish you had included Ashley Iles Chisels in your comparison, even though you did mention them. These are the chisels I am thinking of getting a set of. Might you be carrying out a review on their tools in the future?
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Bart Veldwisch . 2017-12-30
Could you talk any FASTER? Wow! And how about placing a viewer-readable LABEL in front of each of the five sets? Just saying .... smilingly ...
But nice job, anyway.
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Richard Rider . 2017-12-18
Rider Chisels...Will have to look them up...cheers...rr
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Zap Wood . 2017-12-15
When heat baking the wood, the lignin caramelizes which should make it more prone to cracks. That's my experience with heat treated birch at least.
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Kiki Lang . 2017-11-07
Man up, ha!
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Adam Lynch . 2017-11-02
Are the rider chisels not made buy narex? That was what Iโ€™d been told
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Adam Lynch . 2017-11-02
Have you looked at the density of hornbeam? One of the densest timbers around
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Mickleblade . 2017-10-31
my fav chisel is a 2nd hand marples job that I picked up at the Westonbirt wood festival for a tenner, loverly carbon steel blade.
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theduck . 2017-10-30
I have the Narex chisels and Iโ€™m happy with them, the sides donโ€™t come down to a point. Like the Lie-Nielson they have around a mm on the side, do be carful as the sides are still sharp (I already sliced myself) high end value for less money ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป
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Michael Woodford . 2017-10-29
All these tool reviews you should have arranged commission links off your video. Would have earned a little from me ๐Ÿ˜ฌ
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Daniel Ayso Pascal Gethmann . 2017-10-29
Kirschen does provide for different types of chisels, so the duell is noot really fair. But it is a nice video anyway.
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William Mueller . 2017-10-29
Thank you for these simple and quick videos
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Hard Worker . 2017-10-29
How about showing us how they cut.
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J Chadwick . 2017-10-29
Div question: my Dewalts are hardened chrome carbon steel. Where do these fall in the range of steels you are talking about? You're the only person on the internet talking about it, so i thought I'd ask...
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Carbonite Gamorrean . 2017-10-29
I saw (not used yet) wood river butts and they looked great, But what I have seen lately that I think I would like is the IBC.
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Police . 2017-10-29
๐Ÿ‘Œ๐Ÿฝ ๐Ÿ‘ฎ๐Ÿผ
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Jeff Suedbeck . 2017-10-28
Matt I love your videos! The editing and your sense of humor make these vids really fun to watch! What happened to your bench? It looks like it's spent all summer outside in the rain... or is that just the lighting?
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Normand Therrien . 2017-10-28
On another video you mention that we have to say Ly Nielsen and you just said Lee Nielsen, just to easy to catch you on that one, continue your good work.
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Black Shady . 2017-10-28
I am malaysian and my english not really good.I can understand better when American talking but it is hard to understand when english man talking.British accent kind of hard for me to catch
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Black Shady . 2017-10-28
Good work Matt.I am from Malaysia and i've been following your video from the beginning.I like the way you present the information and it is intertaining at the same time.There is one question on my head since your first video,that is how old are you?
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Mike Livermore . 2017-10-28
Hi Matt... great video. I have some narex chisels, which I think are good value for money, but Iโ€™m also lucky enough to have blue spruce, which are sublime and definitely โ€˜tool pornโ€™. By the way congrats on getting a โ€˜big upโ€™ from Mr Cremona today - โ€œbest new youtuberโ€. Keep it up mate.
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David N . 2017-10-28
blue spruce also makes some really good chisels.
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Tim Gospodinov . 2017-10-28
Getting there, now just eq your voice a bit so it's easier to hear (boost a few db ~2-4khz, [boost the eq by a lot and sweep in that range and see where it accentuates your vocal and then pull back the boost])
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Thom spillane . 2017-10-28
Another awesome and informative video. Last year I bought the 750 Stanley Sweetheart chisels. I have to use the hairspray trick with these also. They are a descent chisels however in hindsight I wish I waited and bought the Ashleisle ( wrong spelling) the only reason I didnโ€™t was they were out of stock for the set I wanted. Live and learn.
Awesome video love the way you start tool duel.
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Gary Knight . 2017-10-28
Great job Matt. Yet again you made me laugh - the fish gills comment. That's exactly what I do to my soft hands (not enough woodworking time) with my Veritas chisels. Like you I tend to hold them down near the blade. Then wonder where all the blood has come from. Cheers, Gary
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Marek Korkusinski . 2017-10-28
So you fasten the handles of your Lie-Nielsens with hair spray? Now you realize what tool duel you should do next, don't you?
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RobGb100 . 2017-10-28
Not all carpenters are hewn from the same branch ;-)
I bought a full set of Marples (fruit salad handled) bevel edged chisels some 20 odd yrs ago after their rep said they were designed for chippies who'd use a monkey wrench as a hammer and not break. Still got them and never used a hammer or wrench on them. Also have a lot of Boxwood handled chisels and gouges and never struck them with a hammer.
I have managed to mortise, dovetail, pare wood and cut sockets in limestone with those Marples, so I would recommend them as an option for anyone setting out in woodworking.
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